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    thanks
    I am sending 2 zip files.

    One is the 1936 channel cross section. In 1936 the channel was devoid of
    vegetation, I gave it a mannings n of 0.02.
    I was able to get a hydrograph from this idata. The bed slope is 0.0021.
    I put in xs distance of 650 feet, for 10 cross sections.
    The distance was based on the formula, Samuel’s equation DelX<0.15D/S0
    where D=3Daverage bank full depth (ft) and S0 is the average bed slope in
    ft/ft.

    The other zip file is the 2007 channel. Much more vegetation, i gave it a
    manning's n of 0.2 and distributed it through the xs.
    I could not get a decent hydrograph with this data.

    My goal is to see how channel geometry and increased n, influence the
    hydrograph.

    Thanks

    Allen

    On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:28 PM, MichaelG [via HEC-RAS Help] < [email protected]> wrote:

    > The necessary RAS files can be exported by going to the main screen > Fil=
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    thanks

    I am sending 2 zip files.

    <= div>One is the 1936 channel cross section.=C2=A0 In 1936 the channel was de=
    void of vegetation, I gave it a mannings n of 0.02.

    I was able to=
    get a hydrograph from this idata.=C2=A0 The bed slope is 0.0021.=C2=A0 I p=
    ut in xs distance of 650 feet, for 10 cross sections.
    The distanc=
    e was based on the formula,=C2=A0Samuel's equation =C2=A0 DelX<0.15D/S0 where D=3Daverage bank ful=
    l depth (ft) and S0 is the average bed slope in ft/ft.
    The other zip file is the 2007 channel.=C2=A0 Much more vegetat=
    ion, i gave it a manning's n of 0.2 and distributed it through the xs.<= /div>

    I could not get a decent hydrograph with this data.
    My goal is to see how channel geometry and increased n, influen=
    ce the hydrograph.
    T=
    hanks
    Allen
    =

    On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:28 PM, MichaelG [v=
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    The necessary RAS files can be exported by going to the main screen > F=
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    lity requirements are detailed in Chap. 8 of the User's Manual.

    Hope this helps,

    Michael

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    Wow thank you for your offer, that is tremendous.

    Can you tell me which files and extensions you need?

    thanks
    Allen

    On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:55 AM, MichaelG [via HEC-RAS Help] < [email protected]> wrote:

    > That is probably not a solution to the stability problems that you are
    > seeing. Are your time steps and distance steps close to the Courant
    > condition? And, are you seeing any reports from RAS about covergence duri=
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    > problem starts and help with the diagosis. Would like to look at your RAS
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    thanks for the help

    Ok I was able to get a hydrograph, using a spacing of 650 feet with 10
    cross sections.

    Do you think I should use the option
    “Monitor this hydrograph for adjustments to computational time step” in
    the Boundary Conditions Flow Hydrograph?

    I tried it with a Max change in flow of 10cfs and it shows discharge
    increasing downstream. So maybe this button should not be pressed?

    ?

    On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, MichaelG [via HEC-RAS Help] < [email protected]> wrote:

    > Your model seems to be showing some evidence of non-convergence. RAS
    > reports the convergence errors at each cross section as it is doing the
    > simulation. That info is useful in diagnosing computational problems.
    > Appears that your reach is subcrictical, so perhaps the computational tim=
    e
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    > individual sections.
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    thanks for the help

    Ok I was able to ge=
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    Do you think =C2=A0I should use the option
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    the Boundary Conditions Flow Hydrograph?

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    I tried it with a Max change in flow of 10cfs and it shows discharge i=
    ncreasing downstream.=C2=A0 So maybe this button should not be pressed?

    ?
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