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    Anonymous
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    Modeling a small stream and culvert, seeing higher water surface elevation for the 10-year profile than the 25, 50, and 100-year flows. The flow data is all correct. The model was functioning properly (or at least realistically) until I updated the roadway elevations.

    Any thoughts?

    #11883
    Scott Miller
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    It’s not much information to go on. How did the roadway change? What are the culvert and flows? Any other changes?

    #11884
    Anonymous
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    Does the higher flows have a higher energy grade? If the higher flows have a higher velocity, then you get a higher velocity head (V^2/2g). And it is possible that the water surface can actually be lower. So if the energy grade looks realistic, I wouldn’t automatically assume that there is a problem with the results.

    WSE = EG – VelHead

    #11885
    Anonymous
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    Jarvus, what you said is not correct. You should never have crossing water surface profiles for regular open channel flow. http://hecrasmodel.blogspot.com/2008/12/profiles-that-intersect-not-good.html

    #11886
    Anonymous
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    Doesnt matter if its a post. Its always a cause for concern, and the engineer should evaluate all and any possibilities for change including the transition of a steady state model to an unsteady state model. But there are instances when velocity head will occur as described above. This is a common comment by districts reviewing scour depths as well. Many people think that just because the 500-yr flow is higher than the 100-yr flow that the 500-yr scour depth MUST be greater; and its simply not the case. Bottom line; its something as the engineer you should look into, but there are explanations and combinations of numerical inputs and geometric features for which a profile will slightly cross.

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